website rendering in IE 6.x problem - xhtml?!

marcus@localhorst · Post by **marcus@localhorst** » Wed 27. Jul 2005, 22:06

hi.
could you please visit
http://www.fieldmuzick.net/projects.phtml with you IE 6.0 (XP)

i've noticed that on some sites parts are invisible, after scrolling a bit or mark parts- the sites is rendered well.

i think there are something with the container elements (div) - did you see this?

what could that be?
Firefox and validation service said it's valid

thanks for any hint
marcus

pepe · Post by **pepe** » Thu 28. Jul 2005, 08:24

Hallo marcus@localhorst,

ich habe das selbe Problem.

Das taucht immer dann auf, wenn ich Templates verwende, in denen ein Bild mit leerer Bildunterzeile verwendet wird.

Sobald ich eine Bildunterzeile (UZ) zufüge, ist alles OK.

Grundsätzlich eine UZ einzufügen ist natürlich keine Lösung, höchstenfalls eine Notlösung, aber vielleicht ein Ansattz, das Problem "einzukreisen"!

Ist das bei deiner Site auch so???

Kosse · Post by **Kosse** » Thu 28. Jul 2005, 12:55

Hi marcus@localhorst,

tested with IE 6.0 XP, all well for me, I see everything ok, same as in FF...

Did u made any changes 'cos everything seems ok...

Cheers

marcus@localhorst · Post by **marcus@localhorst** » Thu 28. Jul 2005, 17:01

ha, I've found the bug:
it's the peekaboo
http://www.positioniseverything.net/exp ... kaboo.html

since 2 years i notice the discussion of tables versus div.
this year I began to realize a bigger project in XHTML and tableless layout.
it was a standard header/leftframe/content/footer layout with some specials. i was leaving hair and on the brink to kick that shit and use a clean table with 4 cells. But I take one week more to learn all the bugs when using xhtml/css and build up a Xhtml/css site with a lot of hacks. And I'm looking forward to new IE (or any other) who misinterpret all hacks. what a mess...
it's like 1999, when i began with webdev, the browserdifferences was not greater or less than today. today maybe on a higher niveau

greetings marcus

Kosse · Post by **Kosse** » Thu 28. Jul 2005, 17:39

And I'm looking forward to new IE (or any other) who misinterpret all hacks. what a mess...
it's like 1999, when i began with webdev, the browserdifferences was not greater or less than today. today maybe on a higher niveau

You're so right! We have a nice job, but sometimes a real pain in the ass!
IE 7 is already scraring the shit out of all css web devs... (imagine all the clients calling back to settle the hacks...

Cheers

marcus@localhorst · Post by **marcus@localhorst** » Thu 28. Jul 2005, 18:00

for each browser an own stylesheet

there are a lot of discussion what the best way is...
i think (i've never realized this, i'm so lazy) the best way is to build one valid global stylesheet and if there is any hack for a special browser a new css file - but overwrite a second css file the global file?
and what about the mess with empty div's for that float bug?!

-wir bauen auf und reissen nieder, so ham wir arbeit immer wieder-
-we build up and break down, so we have work over and over again-
(hehe - it doesn't rhyme in english - hope it's translated correctly

)

brans · Post by **brans** » Fri 29. Jul 2005, 10:43

as for IE7 you may have a look at the blog of tom eric and calm down, because you will need all your hacks in the future too

Kosse · Post by **Kosse** » Fri 29. Jul 2005, 11:39

brans wrote:as for IE7 you may have a look at the blog of tom eric and calm down, because you will need all your hacks in the future too

Oops.. relieved (I have the beta dev version of IE 7 if someone wants it btw, but can't install it on my XP because my system is in french and it installs only in english)... and nice link also brans!

Cheers

brans · Post by **brans** » Fri 29. Jul 2005, 13:19

here we go with another expert discussion(German) at TraumProjekt.com

fabiradi · Post by **fabiradi** » Mon 3. Oct 2005, 12:27

okay, enough discussion here. now for the explanation on how to solve the problem (i guess that was why marcus opened this thread):

these random-display-problems in IE can be solved by adding position: relative to the parent element of the text/link oder whatever that does not show up all the time. in most cases relative positioning does not change the apperance of the site in any way. so just try it.

marcus@localhorst · Post by **marcus@localhorst** » Mon 3. Oct 2005, 12:50

holla,
thanks for your post - but that doesn't work for me

greetings
marcus