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Post by **flip-flop** » Thu 8. Dec 2005, 15:33

@pepe

schön zu sehen, daß einigen doch das weitere Bestehen von phpWCMS sehr am Herzen liegt.

Wieso sollte es anders sein???

Darum noch einmal von meiner Seite zur Beruhigung:
Ich will auf keinen Fall mit meinem Projekt für phpWCMS erreichen, daß etwas auseinander fällt ....

Das glaube ich Dir voll und ganz, denn ohne Dich wäre das System nicht da wo es heute ist. Das gilt auch für Pappnases Docu.
Die Anfrage von Kosse ist, glaube ich, nicht nur "einfach so" gestellt worden.

We are also busy creating a phpwcmstemplates thing (not at all ready as yours), but I don't think it's necessary to have TWO sites that do the same, I'd much more join forces then dissipate them

Wenn ich mir anschau, welche begnadeten Designer sich hier verewigen und die auch scheinbar bereit wären ihr Wissen zu teilen, ist es eine Überlegung wert, die Vorlagenseite zu öffnen. Stelle Dir vor es gäbe dann irgendwann zwei Vorlagenseiten!!!??? Wo sollen wir uns dann einbringen, Fragen beantworten usw.?
Das Blöde daran ist, da wagt einer einen Vorstoß und wird dafür noch kritisiert. Das hängt aber mit der Steuerung des gesamten Projektes zusammen. - Die es (noch) nicht gibt. Zum anderen setzt dieser Zustand auch Energien bei dem ein oder anderen frei, die er in einem geführten Projekt nicht zeigen würde.

Die vorhandenen Seiten die ich kenne (Reihenfolge frei gewählt):
- http://www.phpwcms.de
- http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpwcms/
- http://www.phpwcms.de/forum
- http://www.phpwcms-docu.de
- http://www.peperkorn-online.de/phpwcms.phtml
- --...--/
- http://www.hdk-online.de/index.phtml
- http://www.emediafabrik.de/index.php?de_pro_phpwcms
- http://www.ikfrej.se/index.php?downloads
- http://www.modrewrite.de/ (indirekt)

Und hier noch eine Lobeshymne: http://www.mastblau.com/2005-11-21/cms- ... g-phpwcms/

Ich kann mich Picos Meinung nur anschließen. Es wird wohl in dieser Form nicht immer weiter gehen.

Gruß Knut

Kosse · Post by **Kosse** » Thu 8. Dec 2005, 16:51

Well, I'm reading this post and really, yes a lot of very clever things are said:

- we need organizing as A COMMUNITY, 30/40 person reply DAILY (!!!) in this forum and have thousands hours man work (only) on this forum + all the hours spend alone in front of code, of understanding and layout for phpwcms!!!!!!
- phpwcms MUST have a DEV ROADMAP (OG?? You will still be his father...)
- phpwcms has TALENTED people, phpwcms has COMMITED pple, phpwcms has IDEALISTIC pple, phpwcms has PROFESSIONALS making a living thanks to this.

When a baby is still a baby only his parents can care for him. When a baby becomes a child, his father is still good. When he is an adolescent, his father and uncles/aunts are still necessary, when he becomes almost adult, he has to be able to stand up by himself. When he's a grown up, he has to walk alone, never ever forgetting (and turn his back on) his father and uncles.

So the question is: How old is phpwcms?

Cheers

Pappnase · Post by **Pappnase** » Fri 9. Dec 2005, 04:22

Kosse wrote:Pappnase:
He's ok with the idea, finds it great, had no time to implement it himself.

hello

thats not right

i had these idea also a few montah ago and make a call in the forum for templates (incl. article listing and article templates)

but there was no real feedback.

always nice idea but my client paid for thsi and i can't but i would ......

Kosse · Post by **Kosse** » Fri 9. Dec 2005, 09:58

Pappnase wrote: always nice idea but my client paid for thsi and i can't but i would ......

Like ?... Sorry didn't get that.

-->Well, anyway if u would, then cool for everybody, no phpwcms without his favourite uncle

Kosse wrote: Well, I'm reading this post and really, yes a lot of very clever things are said:

Normal, clever pple say clever things

off topic: you can use icons for ur site and RT:http://www.phpwcms.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9296

Cheers

DeXXus · Post by **DeXXus** » Fri 9. Dec 2005, 19:10

Kosse wrote: Like ?... Sorry didn't get that.

You misinterpreted this part:

Kosse wrote:Pappnase:
^%^%^%
... had no time to implement it himself.
^%^%^%

So, Pappnase ~explains~ the "apparent" reaction from others:

Pappnase wrote:always nice idea but

my client paid for thsi

and i can't but i would ......

when the subject was brought up, at an earlier time.

Kosse · Post by **Kosse** » Sun 11. Dec 2005, 10:05

Thanks 4 clarifying DeXXus,

my german isn't that good (euphemism) and my english has some flaws, and myself have a messy-mind (depends on day time

, so sometimes I guess more then I understand, hence my call to plz correct me if I'm wrong...

About the templates being the sole "property" of clients, well I do what I want with my templates, unless the client specifically asks not to use his (which they never did till today). If they should ask, I'll explain open source is that way, you get for less but you give more. Plus, there is nobody that re-invented the wheel with web design, we all inspire from what we see, and changing a little bit a template to have a different feel and look from what it was isn't that difficult IMHO...
And finally, which client can honestly install by itself a template, let alone phpwcms? You have to have -at least- some html knowledge to use phpwcms, this is not a cms for ultra noobs on the web, so what do they care if we release them for a -in the end- further expand and dev of -also theirs- cms? If it is for improvement ... they will also benefit from?

PS: don't know how to say all this in german, so if somebody is kind enough to translate/summarize all this, TIA

Cheers

odeniyi · Post by **odeniyi** » Mon 19. Dec 2005, 05:43

too bad I didn't keep up my german lessons

butabi · Post by **butabi** » Mon 19. Dec 2005, 08:27

Hi There!

I understand that you're discussing the future of phpwcms in many aspects. I've just found out about phpwcms, installed it and wow, this is what I've been looking for all these years

I feel that there is much need for a template database and if I'm understanding you correctly this is something you wan't but you are argueing if it should be under the same roof as the official site?

If that is the discussion, why don't have both? phpBB has many different sites that have different services. Some with hacks, some with themes and so on. Some good some not so good.

And I see that some people don't whant to share with theire templates?
Well, that's too bad. But that will probably loosen up when a site with the collection of templates turns up.

Well many thanks to you all, translaters, coders, template-makers and everyone who works with this great CMS.

If I've have misinterpreted the discussion please ignore this reply, except the thank you's.

pepe · Post by **pepe** » Mon 19. Dec 2005, 19:46

Hallo Freunde...

Also, für den 24.12.2005 vormerken: http://phpwcms-templates.de/punBB-forum/

Heute ist "Weihnachten" in Mülheim an der Ruhr

Aber immer schön der Reihe nach... beim Registrieren!

Hi friends...

So note down for 12-24-2005: http://phpwcms-templates.de/punBB-forum/

It's "Christmas" today in Mülheim an der Ruhr / Germany

But one after the other... during registration!

frold · Post by **frold** » Mon 19. Dec 2005, 19:51

only minded for a german audience`?

pepe · Post by **pepe** » Mon 19. Dec 2005, 19:54

Hi frold... its a START man, its a START

And i've 2 hands only... and my day has 24 hours only 24!

And if phpWCMS is your toy... the installation of our templat is a "QUICKY" for you

frold · Post by **frold** » Mon 19. Dec 2005, 20:40

well I meant the forum

But glad to know that you plan to make it english....

covi · Post by **covi** » Sun 8. Jan 2006, 23:47

Kosse wrote:Thanks 4 clarifying DeXXus,

my german isn't that good (euphemism) and my english has some flaws, and myself have a messy-mind (depends on day time , so sometimes I guess more then I understand, hence my call to plz correct me if I'm wrong...

About the templates being the sole "property" of clients, well I do what I want with my templates, unless the client specifically asks not to use his (which they never did till today). If they should ask, I'll explain open source is that way, you get for less but you give more. Plus, there is nobody that re-invented the wheel with web design, we all inspire from what we see, and changing a little bit a template to have a different feel and look from what it was isn't that difficult IMHO...

And finally, which client can honestly install by itself a template, let alone phpwcms? You have to have -at least- some html knowledge to use phpwcms, this is not a cms for ultra noobs on the web, so what do they care if we release them for a -in the end- further expand and dev of -also theirs- cms? If it is for improvement ... they will also benefit from?

:S: don't know how to say all this in german, so if somebody is kind enough to translate/summarize all this, TIA

Cheers

Ok lets give it a try:

ÜBERSETZUNGSTEXT:

Mein Deutch ist nicht sehr gut und mein Englisch hat auch Macken, ich selbst habe eine chaotisch Denkweise ( abhängig von der Tageszeit

, manchmal rate ich mehr als das ich verstehe, daher mein Aufruf mich zu korrigieren wenn ich falsch liege...

Was die "Besitzrechte der Templates betrifft; also ich mache mit meinen Templates was ich will, es sei denn, mein Kunde verlangt ausdrücklich seine nicht zu benützen ( was bis heute Keiner getan hat ). Sollten sie fragen, werde ich erklären, dass so Open source ist, man bekommts für weniger gibt aber mehr. Zusätzlich, es gibt niemanden, der das Rad neu erfunden hat mit web design, wir alle inspiriren uns von vorhandenem, und ein Template ein wenig zu modifizieren um den "look and feel" ( AmdÜ: gemäss Leo nicht zu übersetzen

) zu ändern ist meines Erachtens nicht schwierig....

Und zum Schluss, welcher Kunde kann eine Template , geschweige den phpwcms selber installieren? Man braucht mindestens HTML Kenntnisse um phpwcms zu verwenden, es is nicht ein cms für ultra noobs im Web, so was stört es diese, wenn wir diese [Templates] für -schlussendlich- Erweiterungen und Entwicklungen -auch von ihrem- cms verwenden? Es ist für Verbesserungen ... werden sie nicht auch profitieren?

ENDE DER ÜBERSETZUNG

Naja für diejenigen die es noch interessiert.....

Gruss
Conrad

Kosse · Post by **Kosse** » Mon 9. Jan 2006, 00:13

Vielen danke Conrad

Cheers

Pappnase · Post by **Pappnase** » Fri 3. Mar 2006, 04:24

hello pepe

1.
great work with the template page

2.
but dont you think your terms of use are to agressive? maybe all who will support the project should say you need to add the place an link into the footer (then the footer will be an linklist). this term looks like you NEED this (maybe for google)

. But you do this for free for an community! so you should think again if it's not enough to place this into the soruce code, or maybe into the imprint!

hoep you do not understand me wrong!

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