I am working for a German mid-sized media company as a full-time programmer. We have been disappointed about the poor amount of development of this project in the past. Many of the features promised during the fund raiser last year, are still not implemented. Out of frustration we finally decided to set up a branched version of phpwcms on our company CVS about 6 months ago. Since then two developers and myself have been working on the code on a more less regular basis. A few new features have been implemented. We now consider to continue this improved branch of phpwcms as a new project on sourceforge. This could turn out to be for the better of the project but we are not sure if a general interest exists for such a project - hence this post. It appears there are quite a few competent people (and some frustration) here. Once the project is on SF, we'd invite capable developers to become admin. How exactly the project will be managed, would have to be discussed in more detail later. This could be to the advantage for everyone and may hopefully lead to some long promised features finally getting implemented.
What do you think about our proposal? Does such a project make any sense to you? Are we the first to consider such a step?
PS. Yes, I do have another account here but prefer to stay anonymous until this project takes some shape. I hope not to piss off anyone with this post.
there was a branch called phpwcms-xt but the project is dead as far as i know.
i think many people are interested in such a branch.
we are waiting for this since 2,5 years now an have seen many other features integrated in phpwcms.
so the development of usergroups can not be a point of missing time.
sorry.
what is step two on your project?
cheers
rush
Last edited by rushclub on Tue 15. Jan 2008, 09:13, edited 1 time in total.
3 (!) Jahre warten reichen mir. Ich bin erst mal weg.
a new project does not make sence in my eyes (also the XT-Version had some very good ideas, but died.)
the fundraising campagne started more than 7 month's ago, little bit more infos would be helpfull for all users.
the best for the whole community would be a clear statement by O.G about the long waited user & rolemanagement.
I think there is a great interest, most part of it wanting to see the user management progress.
An interesting question for me is what you (your company) wants to achieve with the branched phpwcms. If you want to continue developing it yourself and what you need admins for. Maybe you can give some details on that (e.g. what you've implemented so far and what you want to do next).
My opinion:
building one, new CMS --> from scratch, will be ok.
But, taking the phpwcms code - written by OG - as fundamentals, will be - at least "not fair"!
[you could use another expression for this]
Ever thought about to publish your code as new MODs??
Anyhow, YOU should talk to OG [and vice versa] immediately to get the "fund raising campaign" to a --> GOOD END!
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you ain't no future, captain!
Sorry, but I have to say this: posting under a synonym is OK in a forum but posting under a second name and telling so and furthermore hoping not to piss off anyone is weak!
I'm sure that it needs a bit more than 'invite capable developers to become admin' to get a cms running. Ask OG, I think he knows quite well what it means to have a vision, to write it down, to maintain it, to keep it together, not to lose the interest over years, to improve it constantly...
I think it's quite easy: If you want a CMS with fully integrated user management right now, go to where you get that, there are plenty of such places!
When you want however phpwcms to become a better cms there is only one thing you should do: donate to OG!
I know, you will not be pleased to hear that (and I fear that you are not the only one). But if you really think about it, you know that I'm right.
Oh, no (how could I forget that)! There is a second way to make a better phpwcms: write plugins!
I would say good luck - I know what I'm talking about and for my Opinion it's not possible to insert a Usermanagement into this Code without rewriting most of the Stuff.
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breitsch wrote:@captain_future
you ain't no future, captain!
Sorry, but I have to say this: posting under a synonym is OK in a forum but posting under a second name and telling so and furthermore hoping not to piss off anyone is weak!
I'm sure that it needs a bit more than 'invite capable developers to become admin' to get a cms running. Ask OG, I think he knows quite well what it means to have a vision, to write it down, to maintain it, to keep it together, not to lose the interest over years, to improve it constantly...
I think it's quite easy: If you want a CMS with fully integrated user management right now, go to where you get that, there are plenty of such places!
When you want however phpwcms to become a better cms there is only one thing you should do: donate to OG!
I know, you will not be pleased to hear that (and I fear that you are not the only one). But if you really think about it, you know that I'm right.
Oh, no (how could I forget that)! There is a second way to make a better phpwcms: write plugins!
101% Ack ! Thanks breitsch for finding these words ! This has to be said more than once, therefore I copy every single sentecnce !!!!!!! To write under a scnd syn is kidding and shows me: OK, I'm not shure what I am doing !! I hate this all day long complaining !
Well it looks like this has opened a can of worms, so here’s my 2 cents:
I’m not the most prolific poster on this forum but have been using phpwcms for about 18 months now and solving all my problems by searching this forum for the answers and when I need help I can’t find and answer to I’ll ask.
I love this cms and more importantly the community behind it that offer support and write modules. I have got a bit fed up with progress lately and got tied of waiting for user management and am almost ashamed to say I’ve been playing with another cms and have been spending time looking in their forum too. The reason I still use phpwcms over this other cms is because of it’s simplicity and control over templates and css. The reason I didn’t leave and start using another cms was due to Breitsch’s google maps mod and ExData mod. It is these contributions and other contributions people take their time to write that make this cms and community great.
But for the last year I have spent my days logging in checking for an updated version and even sometimes 2 or 3 times a day just to see if there is and announcement for user management that I contributed to over 6 months ago. I have though been loosing faith lately and just want more clarity on what goes on behind the scenes, a weekly blog or something that mentions the progress of the cms. I’m not a developer so do appreciate being able to use this open source cms for free that has taken OGs time to develop over many years.
Whether or not you go off and start up a new cms based on phpwcms is your decision and it is based on either an ethical point of view regarding this community or a legal one regarding code.
The first thing that came to my mind was whether you have contacted OG regarding all these updates you have made since making them or since you decided to start making them, could you not work with OG to implement them into this system if he thinks they are quality upgrades?
All I want and I think a lot of people in this community want is the development of this cms to progress, we also need a main site that shows the cms’s features to attract more users, a section to download mods and tutorials for them, some API details for developers to write mods and a news or blog page to keep people up to date. But this is an unrelated topic to be discussed another time.
I’m starting to rant now and have gone on too long so I’ll let someone else put their 2 cents in.
rushclub wrote:i think many people are interested in such a branch. the fundraising campaign. dont loose any words about that.
the company where i am working at has "lost" a lot of money in that one.
Contact me if you want to get something back - but then it will be lost. Sorry, but I am not a lyer!
captain_future wrote:What do you think about our proposal? Does such a project make any sense to you? Are we the first to consider such a step?
It is a stupid idea. What else to say - post the code and remember the GPL.
And all others still believing in phpwcms and my person and trust me - Thanks again. Your support is what keeps the project alive.
Well, I am not a developer but a simple user of the cms, and agree with rushclub: the exceptionality of phpwcms is it simplicity and control over templates and css.
And agree also with breitsch: a big step to improve the cms is to write plugin (like he: thanks for your modules) or, for the one who doesn't have the technical competences (as me) to donate some money.
Because of the frustration of not yet implemented features, it is understandable that such a project is coming up, wanting somehow to find a solution for the requested and needed (!) options. I myself need the user management and a more flexible solution of the file management. And there are others who are waiting for it much longer as I do. The only statement from Oliver concerning a time of release that I know of is the following.
Oliver Georgi wrote:Und ja - es kommt - und das nicht erst in 2 Jahren. Punkt!
But this also means that it is not coming tomorrow. I am interested in a solution that works and sorry if this is giving unnecessary room for unwanted discussions. I am thankful for phpwcms and with it for the time and effort Oliver put in it. However the user management cannot be done as a mod or plugin. It has to be done and implemented by Oliver. Changing to another CMS is for my running projects not an option. That means either waiting or a stupid idea!
