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Jan212 · Post by **Jan212** » Sat 17. Apr 2004, 13:07

here's my baby - http://null212.com - watch out now...

feelX · Post by **feelX** » Sat 17. Apr 2004, 23:53

the medium grey lines in diffrent thickness are a design effect ?

if not it fits more to make all in one size or minimum outside or arround all in the same size, and inside all same size to ...

same is with the background / margins around ...

no offence

only my 0,02€

Jan212 · Post by **Jan212** » Sun 18. Apr 2004, 11:49

hi felix,

eigentlich hatte ich das so schon so geplant, habe aber selbst schon darüber nachgedacht die abstände zumindest zwischen header und navigation und contentbereich gleich zu machen, habe das aber weil ich momentan sehr busy bin nie realisiert.
dein posting ist ne gute motivation für mich das jetzt mal zu tun, danke.
nimm sowas immer gerne auf, ich werte kritik nicht als angriff, sondern als bereicherung meiner fähigkeiten.
in diesem sinne danke

jan

Jan212 · Post by **Jan212** » Sun 18. Apr 2004, 18:05

so habe das mal gemacht, aber was meintest du noch mit den linien?
viele grüße

jan

snobba · Post by **snobba** » Sun 18. Apr 2004, 19:17

First of all I have noticed that saying ..'my 2 cents' is getting more and more populary also in this forum..I know what it means but it would be fun to know where it comes from...Why 2 cents and not 1 cent? Hmm, maybe there's no 1 cents coins?

But here's my 2 pixels...

I thought it was nicer before Jan...More 'design like' and not so squared and perfect..A nice little effect when everything else is 'perfect' up to every pixel..That was the first thing I noticed when I looked at your nice site for the first time a couple of weeks ago..And I still remember it! And didn't you have the 'lines' widther?

Well, it is only the designers that think about these small things on our sites - it can take hours to put a single pixel in it's place sometime..Atleast for me..Or maybe I am just slow!?

Greetings from Martin

Jan212 · Post by **Jan212** » Sun 18. Apr 2004, 19:48

hi snobba,
you say it.
yes, that was my first thinking to, to give it a look like a passpartout.
i am thinking about that the whole day, i think i've to enlarge the outer left and right and the top 2px, and the bottom margin (darker coloured)3px or so...
what do you think, this could be the perfectest solution?

my 0,1 turkish Lira

snobba · Post by **snobba** » Sun 18. Apr 2004, 22:53

Wanted to play around with your CSS a bit but I saw that you don't set your table in CSS

..

Did you change it at all now or? I just rememberd that all your lines where widther?

i am thinking about that the whole day

Man, I feel for you! I always have this too, staring at the screen..and changing..staring again..changing..............getting bald...

Greetz - Martin

Jan212 · Post by **Jan212** » Sun 18. Apr 2004, 23:07

year i've done it. enlarge it from 7px to 9px left,right,top and bottom to 13px.

time will bring new resumes in this case i think.

the next step will be to make a css2/xhtml valid layout...

feelX · Post by **feelX** » Mon 19. Apr 2004, 03:00

if the target is a non perfect design ... like the 1st one, it needs that style in all parts ... not only the lines ...

if you go the way with the nav in a very clean arrangement it comes with the diffrent sized lines to a break in the design and the stile of the page ...

maybe chaos is a concept but then is to follow up 100%, like everytime with a design concept

little example, because here it is more extreme then on other webdesign :

a lot of skins for bulletinboards looks on the first very fit, but if you look through it you see missmatches ...

- not all graphics from original a changed
- monster headers as eyecatchers
- blurry typing on buttons or headers
- total missmatch what someone called a colorsheme

most is clear to see what gfx people do by their own and what they take from others ... only by the diffrent quality;)

and is fantastic that most of that graphicdesigners don't can produce minigraphics in good quality ...

so back to the mainthing ....

a good webdesign results from some things needed and have to match together:

- a good idea / concept for it
- a good colorsheme
- an individual style (through the total project)
- if some text on gfx is need, it has to be clear to read
- same with other text ( a clean css help a lot)

thats the main things, it give more things are more or less important on webdesign, but i don't want burnout your brains ...

if you follow up this absolut main points you get minimum a acceptable design

my personal style is not to hit everybody with my portfolio or to run to each gfx-competion on the web ... but trust me i know from what i'm talk

i'm new here on wcms but i think during the time my work talk 4 itself ... (<- this is the way i like more then big advertising or shouting)

at moment maybe the experimental template 4 wcms and that 4 IPB at open.ones are must be enough ...

i work on it if i've time

in the last weeks i was very ill and is not all fine now with my health ... so daywork has more importance than something most people call a hobby

but some free templates 4 wcms are in the pipeline ... be patient

spiffman · Post by **spiffman** » Mon 19. Apr 2004, 08:13

Wirklich schön umgesetzt die Seite!

snobba · Post by **snobba** » Mon 19. Apr 2004, 11:16

Jan - Now your site is TOTALLY chaos!!

Jan212 · Post by **Jan212** » Mon 19. Apr 2004, 17:02

@ spiffman - dankeschön.

@ snobba - you're right - it's looking like the page of the deaf breeder egon...

@ feelX - maybe you can show as an example of your design skillz...

pSouper · Post by **pSouper** » Mon 19. Apr 2004, 20:02

duplicated post - must use preview

pSouper · Post by **pSouper** » Mon 19. Apr 2004, 20:04

feelX - you do talk a good game but seam to be on a soapbox shouting your views at all whom would listen. This may not be the most effective nor most welcome way of preaching your knoledge. As i have said, you talk a good game based on your personal views, these views sound rather 'safe' 'conformist': text book responses for a world in steady state. perosnally I don't give a hoot if jan's lines are off by a minimal amount here or there. the site has a freash feel with some brave desisions to style that i don't see on the breadcrumbs you have left for us.
honestly I have no wish to offend anyone and do understand you points, but these are your opinions and as i read them I can't see you leaving allowing too much room for creativity and experimentation in the fear that they may compromise perfection.

in all this seriousness i almost forgot who i was...
so, there was this monkey his friend a lion and the lions pet: a giraffe all sitting in a bar drinking tequilla slammers....

feelX · Post by **feelX** » Tue 20. Apr 2004, 02:42

@ pSouper

but i have not say i'm the greatest or whatever the most people shout in that business :/ ... that don't was my personal style and don't become mine ...

and i wasn't rude or unfriendly ... where is your problem ? why you attack me ? or my critic ? or my work ? you have had a bad day ? mine you have changed ... thx very much

i'm only a manual worker has learned classic and modern skills ...

i make printgfx & -design now around 20 years and webgfx & webdesign over 12 years ... seems like no knowledge

and i'm not to arrogant to share some of my skills and expirences ...

and now to webdesign mistakes or rules, search the web ... are lot of informations to find ... the most gfx- or design-people tell the same things i write upside ? we are all idiots ? our customers too ?

and if you like cheapshots you can get one back ... your webpage (http://www.jayenne.homeip.net/) don't show great or genius graphics or webdesign ...

you are now happy with your trolling ? and answers you get for ?