May I am not familiar enough with Wikimedia, but I can not understand your argument concerning the diversity of authors. What is typical for an documentation system and which feature is not available in a content management system? Why a content management system is not a practicable solution for this requirement? Did we have an user management in phpWCMS? Yes we did? May it is not perfect and may there is a workflow enginge missing, but I think that we have enough functionality in phpWCMS to realize a simple documentation system as laboured by you and some other guys. Just to clarify, I aggree with you that we must reorganize and restructure the existing info plattforms (forum, docu pages, ...), but I would choose phpWCMS. As mentioned in my previous posting, I just want to give everyone an impression what is really possible with phpWCMS.
BR
Wolfgang
New official WIKI for phpwcms - http://www.phpwcms.de/wiki
Just my humble opinion:kubens wrote:Please tell me why we need a Wiki?
A lot of information in this forum is lost, just because of it's structur. you'll
see that on the fact that beginners ask the same questions again and again.
search function is a good thing, when you know how to use it. so the bottom
line is that the "cracks" are answering again and again the same stuff...
In a Wikisystem, everyone who's able to help can create or edit an article in
a clearly defined structure. And that's the most important thing: structure!
Especially for Windows-Users...
Look at the situation in this forum. Someone is posting a new mod. After a
while 9 or more pages are filled with informations, questions, answers,
flaming and so on. To find the important informations in this thouwabou
is quite a task... Of course, someone could summarize all the informations
and delete the stupid stuff. But who? Just the forum admin(s)...
In a Wikisystem everyone of us could summarize the informations from
the forum and all others could add new informations, tipps&tricks a.s.o.
And the system doesn't depend on a single person or a group of people.
An important point in my eyes because interests of human can change
during time...
)Greetz, tinoo
I know that we need structure and that we need a tool therefor!Please tell me why we need a Wiki?
However I think that every activities concerning reorganization and restructuring will be the right one, regardless of which tool will be introduced for this.Just to clarify, I aggree with you that we must reorganize and restructure the existing info plattforms (forum, docu pages, ...)
BR
Wolfgang
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Pappnase
hellobrans wrote:hmm yes this was another possibility. But I think that a suggestion by the community wouldn't be a bad thing for him to get an idea what the community wants.
About the Docu:
Yes I was working at the docu too, but Pappnase as an admin had his own ideas and nobody could bring him away from these ideas. One day he had a DB crash after a version update of phpwcms. Since then it took him about 5 weeks and about a daily email from me to answer at least one question. He didn't answer me in MSN or by email anymore.
The reason was that I wanted to build up dev-brenner-b-e, as TriP and me did now. Pappnase and OG didn't like the idea of another open ressource site for phpwcms. I tried to contact Pappnase about each day to talk to him about an integration of the hacks/mods section into his docu site, in order to keep it all centralised. All I got about 2 month of trying to reach him was 2 answers: "OG doesn't like it" "I don't like it", but he wasn't able to talk to me about a better solution and since then didn't answer whenever I tried to contact him.
His only excuse was, that he had been very busy working. Please man tell me? Have you ever been so busy that you couldn't answer ONE and the same email or even tell someone to wait a few weeks for your answer?
Sorry I didn't want to wait for Pappnase to become active and built up dev-brenner-b-e together with TriP.
Well now you got the reason why I seriously don't want Pappnase to have the full control over the WIKI on his own, no matter if I'm part of the admin team or not. I think that he does great work for the community and I respect his work, BUT I f*cking don't like ppl that become so damned snooty as soon as they have reached something in their life.
As I'd call myself a reasonable person I'd try to work together with him again, assumed that we both are being "voted" into the admin team and that there will be such an admin team. But what I wish to have is a team that is diverse enough in ordner to not let one person do such things again.
As for your other point, nobody can give you a guarantee, that I'll be active inside this project for all my life but I can say that I like phpwcms and don't have the money do donate. Instead of donating I invest a lot of time into the community and seriously want to continue my work, as I like it so far. Yes for sure, there might be some mistakes I did in the past, but dude, I'm a human being and it's not more than natural that we do mistakes (same for Pappnase).
I'm not an unforgiving person as long as ppl who make mistakes think about them and try not to do them again.
Long speach, short sense:
I want to try working with Pappnase again and I'm really motivated to build up one central phpwcms ressource site, offering all the stuff you need in a manner that even the "community newbies" can find it immediately. I want to go on straight forward, together with a great team of motivated and hard working people, and together with one of the top 3 communities I've found on the internet so far. No matter wether I'm a member of the admin team or just a simple editor, or even "only" a normal user and contributor.
Thank you for reading my long statement. As I don't want to continue the discussion about past mistakes in this forum, for keeping this thread clean, please contact me by email, with copy to other persons if you like, for further questions on this topic.
cheers
Andi
As about pepe: You'll have to ask himself I don't know any details about the separation of these guys.
first i had never a db crash.
second
i offer you webspace but you talk to my like you would be the leader of all. and you said ok it's your site but i do on your site what i want in the hacks area.
third
you always talk about an second forum at the docu page! i said yes i and OG don't like it. cos i have phone sometimes with oliver. and i was talk about a second forum with him. and he said no second forum. and i was understand it cos 2 forums would splitt all. i offer you to setup an second forum wich was already installed. but only for the team members of the hacks area. where the members can discuss over the hacks.
sorry brans also when i make me no new friends but read some posts from yourself. sometimes you do like you can rule the world, like make it my way or go out of my way. i little arrogance is ok! but i get sick as i read the ffirst post of this tread
i think a short pn before/after this thread and i don't had this feeling what i write before.Brans wrote:In my opinion we should first transfer http://www.phpwcms-docu.de into this wiki in ordner to make it extensible more easy.
and i think we can have 10 admins at the wiki and would be the same like here. also the people can see whats possible with the phpwcms. at an wiki it's only the blank theory.
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brans
As I said I have my personal opinion on past things and I don`t want to further discuss on them inside this forum. If you feel like we should, then I can call you by phone if you like.
Coming back to the topic, I totally agree to tinoo`s post above:
(hope to have used the right word "bareer" which should be a translation of the German word "Barriere")
Coming back to the topic, I totally agree to tinoo`s post above:
The small but significant difference between phpwcms and WIKI is, that in a WIKI everyone who`s got good ideas can simply publish them, in phpwcms he`ll - however the user management might be organized - have to contact an admin first, which is a personal bareer. Whenever you have to sign up for something before being able to use it, there will be a little personal bareer.tinoo wrote:In a Wikisystem, everyone who's able to help can create or edit an article in
a clearly defined structure. And that's the most important thing: structure!
Especially for Windows-Users...
(hope to have used the right word "bareer"
which should be a translation of the German word "Barriere")Hi,
please head over to the WIKI at http://www.phpwcms.de/wiki/ and start outputting your phpWCMS knowledge into the FAQ.
WIKI's are great as it treats every auteur equaly.. a truly democratic publishing system.. hmm, no admins, no dictators, no protectionism.. bon appetite!
Having a FAQ in a moderated forum is.. well, very odd.
ae
ps: don't forget to sign the EU Data Rentention petition here: http://www.dataretentionisnosolution.com/
please head over to the WIKI at http://www.phpwcms.de/wiki/ and start outputting your phpWCMS knowledge into the FAQ.
WIKI's are great as it treats every auteur equaly.. a truly democratic publishing system.. hmm, no admins, no dictators, no protectionism.. bon appetite!
Having a FAQ in a moderated forum is.. well, very odd.
ae
ps: don't forget to sign the EU Data Rentention petition here: http://www.dataretentionisnosolution.com/
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