rebranding and removing the copyright

[basilius]

pappnase, dein englisch ist wirklich miserabel

And your point is it even more´...

was that german?

[Oliver Georgi]

OK,

my 2 cents.

http://typo3.org/about/gpl-license/faq/

Same for phpwcms.

It's a very good text.

Oliver

[Jérôme]

Yes, that's true, this is a really good text... unfortunately it does not prevent some evil people to do it still.

[brans]

hmm ok but there's still not defined what "rebranding" means...

Is your Backend already rebranded if you just change the layout but leave all links back to phpwcms.de and leave a wcms logo on the homepage of the backend ? or is it not ? That's what I'm not really sure about..

I guess yes it is rebranding.. but as I said I'm not sure..

[pSouper]

I would imagine you are not rebranding by changing the appearance of the scripts if..

• The existing branding text & images remain
• no attempt has been made to hide, disguise or detract from the branding
• no misleading text or images are used that are intended to or may give cause to imply that the product is not that which it is.

but never quote me on anything

of course the rule is.. if in doubt ask the owner.

[jacxx]

wie wärs denn.. einen betrag für das "makecopyfree" zu erheben++
sehe ich übrigens immer öfter in der szene++

ich lasse meine user nur auf die startseite..
**frageanolli** ist das in ordnung?

gruss jacxx

http://raceflash.com

[Oliver Georgi]

It will never give a "makecopyfree" licence. Ask Microsoft you want to have such Windows XP.

I can't believe the questions.

It is allowed to redesign the backend - but why these questions about removing copyright infos. But redesign does not mean - remove copyright infos. Makes NO sense.

Please inform me about rebranded (copyright-removed) versions of phpwcms. I will give it to the lawyer.

Oliver

[jacxx]

oliver.. es war nur ein vorschlag++
ich habe nie behauptet du sollst das copyfree geben oder verkaufen++
ich habe nur beschrieben.. wie es in der scene schon seit längerem gang und gebe ist++

und ich habe extra die url angebracht..damit du sehen kannst das alles in ordnung ist++
gruss jacxx

[Oliver Georgi]

Ich weiß doch - bezog sich nicht auf Dich.

Ich bin allgemein etwas verärgert, weil diese Frage immer wieder kommt - vor allem direkt an mich per Email herangetragen. Zwischen den Zeilen kann ich dann immer wieder herauslesen, worum es wirklich geht. Eben nicht um das Anpassen für den Kunden, sondern die wollen sich schlichtweg für lau freikaufen, um dann die gesamte Software weiterzuverschachern. Deswegen werde ich zukünftig den Verstoß gegen das Copyright auch entsprechend ahnden, sollte mir da entsprechendes zugetragen werden. Wie gesagt, jeder kann anpassen, was er will - aber beim Entfernen des Copyrights hört der Spaß auf.

Denn, was ist schon ein fairer Preis für das Entfernen des Copyrights. Wenn jemand daherkommt und sagt, er möchte die gesamte Software kaufen - OK. Dann würde ich da mit mir reden lassen, da ich dann die freie Entwicklung einstellen müsste (ich habe genügend anderes in der Pipeline). Aber ich will nicht zweigleisig fahren. Möglicherweise wird es mal eine "lizenzierte" Version geben, bei der ein Supportvertrag abgeschlossen wird. Aber das Copyright bleibt drin.

Vielen Dank für das Verständnis.

Oliver

[evan]

First of all, I am NOT planning on rebranding phpwcms, calling it my own work, ANY of that. I agree that it's a shitty thing to do.

BUT:

I've read the GPL, and I can not find where it says that you can't. It explicitly states that you are free to change the code, provided you don't change the license. If I go into the code and change "phpwcms" to "evan's cms" everywhere it appears; I don't see how that's any different from any other code modification.

In fact, I seem to recall one of the major file-sharing networks (Morpheus?) rebranding a GPL file sharing client and releasing it. There was considerable outrage from the OSS community, but they were perfectly legal to do so.

If you don't want people rebranding phpwcms that's perfectly ok, I support you fully. But why did you release it under the GPL if you object to people changing it?

If this has already been addressed in the german portion of this thread I apologize, I can't read German very well. I took two semesters of it in junior high and I remember just about none.

[Oliver Georgi]

But if you do so - you have to make it available to anybody. And changing the name ist NOT changing code. It's re-branding. Think about. The name is not the code. Layout is also not the code. And I never forbid to change the layout.

Source code change means making it better or simpler or doing it the other way - not renaming it so it looks like my own work...

The GPL is not only a licence; it is a contract too.


Regards
Oliver

[cguenther]

code != copyright != brand

Right, the name and copyright is written in the sourcecode, but GPL dosen't allow you to change the brand / copyright and say that are changes to the sourcecode.

Using OpenSource and GPL is affair of honor. Even leaving the copyright in the system. It's a shame that you diskuss in that way: "I only change the sourcecode - no the name is another and the copyright notice is gone"

You are allowed to change the color-theme and style of the backend, but even NOT more! If you wan't to use this system, you should also respect that and even the enthusiastic work of the developer - even of the mod-developer.

Forking is another thing. But - i tell you - nobody of you ever forked phpwcms "into a new direction".

[Oliver Georgi]

OK, I will close this thread. All copyright things should be discussed in the new forum:
http://www.phpwcms.de/forum/viewforum.php?f=15


Oliver