ALT vs. TITLE

Paal · Post by **Paal** » Tue 25. Jan 2005, 23:57

Hello,

Why not use phpwcms admin mod the TITLE tag instead ALT tag? (in function struct_levellist() ):

include/lib_inc/admin.functions.inc.php line ~322:

FROM

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	$a .= "<img src=\"img/symbole/page_".((!$struct[$key]["acat_hidden"])?1:7).".gif\" width=\"11\" height=\"15\" alt=\"ID:".$struct[$key]["acat_id"];

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	$a .= "<img src=\"img/symbole/page_".((!$struct[$key]["acat_hidden"])?1:7).".gif\" width=\"11\" height=\"15\" title=\"ID:".$struct[$key]["acat_id"];

The more function use correct TITLE tag.
Better for the Firefox browser

Tnx, Paul
Ps: phpWCMS-v1.1.9-DEV

Pixelchaos · Post by **Pixelchaos** » Wed 26. Jan 2005, 16:51

I agree,

The strange thing is: In 1.1 the admin mode used the title-tag for the red page-icons, so it was easy to see what the ID number was. Now that doesn't work anymore.

Kosse · Post by **Kosse** » Thu 27. Jan 2005, 12:09

You have a point Paal.
Yep TITLE works in IExplorer, Mozilla and Firefox.
To see the ALT function in Firefox you have to go to the properties of the image, which is not the idea of the tag, isn't it?

Yes all the tags ALT in PHPWCMS should be "TITLED", looks cleaner and is more cross-browser friendly.

(even if it is not going to change the world and there are probably better or more important things to do in the 1.9 release, but... what has to be said has to be said

)

Cheers

Post by **Oliver Georgi** » Thu 27. Jan 2005, 14:02

both have to be used: ALT + TITLE

Oliver

Peekay · Post by **Peekay** » Thu 27. Jan 2005, 14:28

The ALT tag is not intended for visual browsers at all, so it doesn't really matter whether it works in Firefox or IE. The purpose of the tag is to enable the content to be read aloud by assisted-technology browsers used by people who are blind.

As Oliver says, it is good practice to use both tags, (you should use the title tag for links also) but title is not recognised by Lynx the text browser, which is commonly used in conjunction with a screen-reader.

I'm very pleased that PHPWCMS now includes this feature. Until ALT is widely depracated I wouldn't want to see it replaced.

Kosse · Post by **Kosse** » Thu 27. Jan 2005, 14:38

Okay, ok

you're the Boss

. I'm not going to troll around here

this forum is a -VERY- good one, I will (am trying to) contribute in a way that honors it. ALT and title attributes (not tags

) it is then.

To be more specific:

alt is for images
---> works in IE and shows in a flag, works in Mozilla/FF but doesn't display a flag (only shows name in properties)

title (lowercaps) "offers advisory information about the element for which it is set"
---> works both in IE and Mozilla, if you want to disable the flag in IE, just put an ALT and a blank title=""

Basically, you're right Peekay, these attributes are to help accessibility and also to be W3C compliant.

W3C info:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#adef-alt
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/globa ... adef-title

Post by **Oliver Georgi** » Thu 27. Jan 2005, 14:54

I have implemented a new function getAltTitle($string, $whichAttribute, $echo) that will be used from now on.

The above file is changed

Oliver

Kosse · Post by **Kosse** » Thu 27. Jan 2005, 14:59

Oliver,
You are BRILLIANT! (do you shine at night?)

Peekay · Post by **Peekay** » Thu 27. Jan 2005, 15:56

Apologies if I sounded abrupt Kosse. If you search my posts you'll see I have bemoaned the absence of ALT for some time, so I am just relieved and grateful to see it arrive!.

With a little care of the design, PHPWCMS actually works very well in Lynx, even the nav_table_column menu degrades nicely. It has only been the lack of an ability to add image descriptions easily that let it down, so this is a very positive improvement.

Kosse · Post by **Kosse** » Thu 27. Jan 2005, 16:00

No offence taken, at all

, I was writing my humble answer and when I posted ... saw yours!

so I edited it... you're right all the way.

Post by **Oliver Georgi** » Thu 27. Jan 2005, 18:45

Peekay wrote:...has only been the lack of an ability to add image descriptions easily that let it down, so this is a very positive improvement.

There are some enhancement for having image ALT text and link.

Try this in field caption (not working for any image at the moment):

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Caption Text|ALT text|http://www.apple.de _blank

also possible in this way - no caption text for image:

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|ALT text|http://www.apple.de _blank

Oliver

cyrano · Post by **cyrano** » Mon 7. Feb 2005, 11:08

is this or does an addition extist with 1.1.9 dev release to add also a link to an image when using the content part "images"

i can solve it only when using the caption text and add a link, but i want to use the image directly.

any ideas or linking help helpful.

Thank you.

Post by **Oliver Georgi** » Mon 7. Feb 2005, 11:34

yes - for most images this is done - not image list at the moment.

Oliver

cyrano · Post by **cyrano** » Mon 7. Feb 2005, 11:39

ok thanx for answer oliver.

harrybo · Post by **harrybo** » Fri 11. Mar 2005, 08:29

Hello,

is there a patch for Release 1.1-RC4 27-08-2004 that provides the link feature via the caption field?

Regards
Harry